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Posted: 6/5/2013 1:28 PM

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Mark Blaudschun (ajerseryguy) in his June 2nd column has an interesting blurb on UMass for the 2014-15 season onward.

Decision time for UMass is coming regarding its future in the MAC in football. When UMass went to the FBS level a few years ago, the MAC took them in the way they accepted Temple, which allowed basketball to remain in the Atlantic 10. But both sides have escape clauses and the word may be that the MAC is ready to tell UMass, if you want to stay in the MAC in football, you have become a full member in all sports, which would mean UMass leaving the rising in stature A10.

If UMass balks at that, they will need to find another conference for their football team, with only Conference USA as the most likely choice, but even that has no guarantees…

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The A10 is definitely a better Basketball conference, and this would be an interesting dilemma for UMass. I see the SBC as in the picture since they want a CCG, and don't like their Candidates in FCS beyond JMU. Not sure how this impacts NMSU's chances to get a full invite out of the SBC, but who knows.
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Posted: 6/5/2013 1:52 PM

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A10 isn't rising in stature, it's the opposite after all the defections.
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Posted: 6/5/2013 2:36 PM

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I wonder if Hawaii and the MW are paying attention to this?
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Posted: 6/5/2013 2:44 PM

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jdgaucho wrote: I wonder if Hawaii and the MW are paying attention to this?

Why? I am sure the MWC front range schools don’t like sending Oly’s to the Islands and vice versa. Of course with 5 schools in CA & Nevada, all of whom save Fresno with direct flight on Hawaiian to Honolulu maybe they could consider making a similar move. Depends on how long the MWC will sit around and wait for BYU I guess.

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Posted: 6/5/2013 2:46 PM

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sgwau96 wrote: Mark Blaudschun (ajerseryguy) in his June 2nd column has an interesting blurb on UMass for the 2014-15 season onward.

Decision time for UMass is coming regarding its future in the MAC in football. When UMass went to the FBS level a few years ago, the MAC took them in the way they accepted Temple, which allowed basketball to remain in the Atlantic 10. But both sides have escape clauses and the word may be that the MAC is ready to tell UMass, if you want to stay in the MAC in football, you have become a full member in all sports, which would mean UMass leaving the rising in stature A10.

If UMass balks at that, they will need to find another conference for their football team, with only Conference USA as the most likely choice, but even that has no guarantees…

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The A10 is definitely a better Basketball conference, and this would be an interesting dilemma for UMass. I see the SBC as in the picture since they want a CCG, and don't like their Candidates in FCS beyond JMU. Not sure how this impacts NMSU's chances to get a full invite out of the SBC, but who knows.
Should the Sun Belt look at Massachusetts, then a possible package deal with Villanova-Army or Villanova-Lamar.  At this point a travel partner must be established.  This seems like getting ahead of oneself, this is a situation in which to jump on for a CCG.
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Posted: 6/5/2013 2:56 PM

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SDHornet wrote:
jdgaucho wrote: I wonder if Hawaii and the MW are paying attention to this?

Why? I am sure the MWC front range schools don’t like sending Oly’s to the Islands and vice versa. Of course with 5 schools in CA & Nevada, all of whom save Fresno with direct flight on Hawaiian to Honolulu maybe they could consider making a similar move. Depends on how long the MWC will sit around and wait for BYU I guess.


I thought it was an interesting comparison.
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Posted: 6/5/2013 3:08 PM

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Travel partner for Football?

UMass would stay A-10

desertscholar9704 wrote:
sgwau96 wrote: Mark Blaudschun (ajerseryguy) in his June 2nd column has an interesting blurb on UMass for the 2014-15 season onward.

Decision time for UMass is coming regarding its future in the MAC in football. When UMass went to the FBS level a few years ago, the MAC took them in the way they accepted Temple, which allowed basketball to remain in the Atlantic 10. But both sides have escape clauses and the word may be that the MAC is ready to tell UMass, if you want to stay in the MAC in football, you have become a full member in all sports, which would mean UMass leaving the rising in stature A10.

If UMass balks at that, they will need to find another conference for their football team, with only Conference USA as the most likely choice, but even that has no guarantees…

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The A10 is definitely a better Basketball conference, and this would be an interesting dilemma for UMass. I see the SBC as in the picture since they want a CCG, and don't like their Candidates in FCS beyond JMU. Not sure how this impacts NMSU's chances to get a full invite out of the SBC, but who knows.
Should the Sun Belt look at Massachusetts, then a possible package deal with Villanova-Army or Villanova-Lamar.  At this point a travel partner must be established.  This seems like getting ahead of oneself, this is a situation in which to jump on for a CCG.
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Posted: 6/5/2013 5:52 PM

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SDHornet wrote:
jdgaucho wrote: I wonder if Hawaii and the MW are paying attention to this?
Why? I am sure the MWC front range schools don’t like sending Oly’s to the Islands and vice versa. Of course with 5 schools in CA & Nevada, all of whom save Fresno with direct flight on Hawaiian to Honolulu maybe they could consider making a similar move. Depends on how long the MWC will sit around and wait for BYU I guess.


I thought it was an interesting comparison.

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It's not an inappropriate comparison.

But so far as I can tell, the MWC doesn't want UH for Olympic sports; the Big West does want UH for Olympic sports; and UH prefers the Big West to the MWC for Olympic sports. So (remarkably) the status quo may actually last for awhile in this case.
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Posted: 6/5/2013 7:35 PM

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It seems Hawaii's MWC/Big West setup will be pretty good for all parties involved, with no changes needed, especially now that there will be two divisions in MWC football so that Hawaii and Mountain teams don't have to play each other every year.
HawaiiMongoose wrote:

It's not an inappropriate comparison.

But so far as I can tell, the MWC doesn't want UH for Olympic sports; the Big West does want UH for Olympic sports; and UH prefers the Big West to the MWC for Olympic sports. So (remarkably) the status quo may actually last for awhile in this case.
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Posted: 6/5/2013 7:47 PM

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I think UMass may end up going back to FCS if they can't generate the ticket sales and revenue they promised their board of regents (?)

They are losing money at UMass with the fbs experiment. The only way it works that i can see is if UMass joins the Sun Belt (who desperately needs another football only member). Liberty won't be allowed to stay in the Big South. In fact, no FCS conference will allow its football playing members to do what Idaho is doing (Big Sky FCS conference for Olympic sports/FBS Sun Belt conference football only).

Umass may get the 2004 Temple treatment (getting kicked out of the Big East) if the MAC decides they are better off with 12 (and they are).

The MAC is like the Ivy League, no need to change membership (unless they ever lost Northern Illinois to Conference USA, which I don't see likely. Marshall going back to the MAC would only happen if NIU traded places with the Herd to land in CUSA) Even then, Marshall won't go back to the MAC and NIU isn't going anywhere. Marshall wouldn't even be interested in the MAC with NIU and UMass (total 14 mac football members).

The MAC is the most stable conference in Division 1 football, behind the Pac 12. They don't add or lose any members in the MAC. Only Temple left, and for good reason. UMass may be forced out altogether for bad reasons (geography, no rivals like the CAA, noncompetitiveness, losing money for the school, etc)
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Posted: 6/5/2013 10:02 PM

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sfcal wrote: I think UMass may end up going back to FCS if they can't generate the ticket sales and revenue they promised their board of regents (?)

They are losing money at UMass with the fbs experiment. The only way it works that i can see is if UMass joins the Sun Belt (who desperately needs another football only member). Liberty won't be allowed to stay in the Big South. In fact, no FCS conference will allow its football playing members to do what Idaho is doing (Big Sky FCS conference for Olympic sports/FBS Sun Belt conference football only).

Umass may get the 2004 Temple treatment (getting kicked out of the Big East) if the MAC decides they are better off with 12 (and they are).

The MAC is like the Ivy League, no need to change membership (unless they ever lost Northern Illinois to Conference USA, which I don't see likely. Marshall going back to the MAC would only happen if NIU traded places with the Herd to land in CUSA) Even then, Marshall won't go back to the MAC and NIU isn't going anywhere. Marshall wouldn't even be interested in the MAC with NIU and UMass (total 14 mac football members).

The MAC is the most stable conference in Division 1 football, behind the Pac 12. They don't add or lose any members in the MAC. Only Temple left, and for good reason. UMass may be forced out altogether for bad reasons (geography, no rivals like the CAA, noncompetitiveness, losing money for the school, etc)
If they can't make money with the MAC, I seriously doubt they would break even if they switch to the Sun Belt. UMass needs to hold on to improving their team a la Temple, and join the AAC. Joining the MAC would kill their other sports plus less money would come in. Then, the sports money shouldn't be that bad. That, and moving the team closer to their campus, is what UMass needs to do to stay at the FBS level. While Gilette Stadium is nice, no one besides hard core fans want to see Eastern Michigan vs UMass. Use the stadium for games like BC vs UMass.

I would wager most teams in the MAC wouldn't mind seeing it leave though; one less mouth to feed. As for a move to the FCS for the Minutemen, it could happen, but their investment done to move up would cost some jobs, thus UMass would most likely stay up for at least a few years, even if they bleed money.
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Posted: 6/6/2013 4:31 AM

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I think we do now too, not sure though since I don't fly anymore. It's not high on my things to check out list.
SDHornet wrote:
jdgaucho wrote: I wonder if Hawaii and the MW are paying attention to this?

Why? I am sure the MWC front range schools don’t like sending Oly’s to the Islands and vice versa. Of course with 5 schools in CA & Nevada, all of whom save Fresno with direct flight on Hawaiian to Honolulu maybe they could consider making a similar move. Depends on how long the MWC will sit around and wait for BYU I guess.

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Posted: 6/6/2013 10:42 AM

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FresnoStAlum wrote: I think we do now too, not sure though since I don't fly anymore. It's not high on my things to check out list.
SDHornet wrote:
jdgaucho wrote: I wonder if Hawaii and the MW are paying attention to this?

Why? I am sure the MWC front range schools don’t like sending Oly’s to the Islands and vice versa. Of course with 5 schools in CA & Nevada, all of whom save Fresno with direct flight on Hawaiian to Honolulu maybe they could consider making a similar move. Depends on how long the MWC will sit around and wait for BYU I guess.

Yeah I last flew to the Islands about a year ago. I notice Hawaiian had every major west coast city covered. I did not see a Fresno flight but who knows what has happened in the last year.

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Posted: 6/6/2013 10:49 AM

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Spokane has direct flights to HNL. Just sayin'
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Posted: 6/6/2013 6:49 PM

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Allegiant Air has direct flights between Fresno and Hawaii, I believe. Not saying much, because 80% or so of that airline's flights get delayed, supposedly. Might be faster to fly indirectly.
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Posted: 6/6/2013 7:06 PM

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I've flown allegiant. They are seriously bottom of the barrel discount. And all of their flights are nonstop, meaning you cannot connect through them for anything. I like that they fly out of luttle tiny airports, though.
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Posted: 6/6/2013 10:52 PM

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Yes, according to this route map. Allegiant also does Fresno to Vegas. What was this thread about again? tongue
SirJaydenSzetoUsa wrote: Allegiant Air has direct flights between Fresno and Hawaii, I believe. Not saying much, because 80% or so of that airline's flights get delayed, supposedly. Might be faster to fly indirectly.

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Posted: 6/7/2013 12:34 AM

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sfcal wrote: In fact, no FCS conference will allow its football playing members to do what Idaho is doing (Big Sky FCS conference for Olympic sports/FBS Sun Belt conference football only).

disbelief 
Not true! Currently, there are several examples of what you said no FCS conference would do:
In the Colonial Athletic Association, Richmond is a football member but plays all other sports in the A-10; Villanova is a football member & plays other sports in the Big East (there are others, too).

In the Southern Conference, Davidson (which is moving to the A-10), has long played football in the Pioneer League while its other sports stayed in the SoCon; Morehead St. plays football in the Pioneer League while its other teams compete in the Ohio Valley (Austin Peay once did so, too); the Big Sky has football-only members in UC-Davis & Cal Poly, which are in the Big West for other sports.

And the Missouri Valley Football Conference is an amalgamation of football teams from two or three different all-sports leagues.

Clearly, you do not know whereof you speak!
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Posted: 6/7/2013 12:49 AM

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Rolln1 wrote: sfcal wrote: In fact, no FCS conference will allow its football playing members to do what Idaho is doing (Big Sky FCS conference for Olympic sports/FBS Sun Belt conference football only).

disbelief 
Not true! Currently, there are several examples of what you said no FCS conference would do:
In the Colonial Athletic Association, Richmond is a football member but plays all other sports in the A-10; Villanova is a football member & plays other sports in the Big East (there are others, too).

In the Southern Conference, Davidson (which is moving to the A-10), has long played football in the Pioneer League while its other sports stayed in the SoCon; Morehead St. plays football in the Pioneer League while its other teams compete in the Ohio Valley (Austin Peay once did so, too); the Big Sky has football-only members in UC-Davis & Cal Poly, which are in the Big West for other sports.

And the Missouri Valley Football Conference is an amalgamation of football teams from two or three different all-sports leagues.

Clearly, you do not know whereof you speak!
Your examples aren't the same thing.  If a league doesn't sponsor football, then obviously it isn't an issue for a team to affiliate in football elsewhere.  Pioneer is nonschollie and not the same situation at all.   Are there any other FBS schools playing all sports in an FCS league?  I can't think of any.

A somewhat similar situation is Umass.  But even that is not the same thing.

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Posted: 6/7/2013 5:06 AM

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Rolln1 wrote: sfcal wrote: In fact, no FCS conference will allow its football playing members to do what Idaho is doing (Big Sky FCS conference for Olympic sports/FBS Sun Belt conference football only).

disbelief 
Not true! Currently, there are several examples of what you said no FCS conference would do:
In the Colonial Athletic Association, Richmond is a football member but plays all other sports in the A-10; Villanova is a football member & plays other sports in the Big East (there are others, too).

In the Southern Conference, Davidson (which is moving to the A-10), has long played football in the Pioneer League while its other sports stayed in the SoCon; Morehead St. plays football in the Pioneer League while its other teams compete in the Ohio Valley (Austin Peay once did so, too); the Big Sky has football-only members in UC-Davis & Cal Poly, which are in the Big West for other sports.

And the Missouri Valley Football Conference is an amalgamation of football teams from two or three different all-sports leagues.

Clearly, you do not know whereof you speak!
No offense taken. I appreciate your info, but read my parentheses clearly.

That's why I emphasized them in parentheses. Like CPSLOGRAD says, I can't think of any FCS conference (a conference that sponsors FCS football like the Big Sky) allowing an Olympic member that plays football (IDAHO) to play in a higher division (FBS SUN BELT CONFERENCE) instead of forcing IDAHO to play FCS in the Big SKY.

Does that make sense? It's the only example I could come up with, because UMASS is an Olympic member of the NON-FOOTBALL sponsoring A-10.

No hateration, just holleration in this dancery.
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