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OU off-season losses

Posted: 6/11/2012 9:50 AM

OU off-season losses 


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Jaz Reynolds is a big time talent.  Looks like the safety had a chance to start.
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Posted: 6/11/2012 9:59 AM

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Jaz just seems to be self-destructing. Everytime he gets himself back into Stoops' good graces, he pulls something else.

Jackson's problem is he was not attending classes. Even if he does come back, he'll likely be ineligible for a semester.

Quentin Hayes would have been a quality backup. His loss does effect our depth.
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Posted: 6/11/2012 10:57 AM

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I had them pegged to win the Big 12 before all of these losses. Now I'm seeing them as 7-5/8-4.
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Posted: 6/11/2012 11:21 AM

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Big 12 seems really wide open.  Plenty of teams have lost a lot from last year and others  still do not know what they have like Tech. 

I would say West Virginia looks the strongest right now but still unsure how good they are because they have not played big 12 teams.

KSU looks solid but won alot of close games last year and i still question their overall talent level.
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Posted: 6/11/2012 3:31 PM

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redraiduzz wrote: I had them pegged to win the Big 12 before all of these losses. Now I'm seeing them as 7-5/8-4.
Those 2 statements do not jibe.  No way those players are worth 3-5 games.
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Posted: 6/11/2012 3:47 PM

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NorthCalSooner wrote:
redraiduzz wrote: I had them pegged to win the Big 12 before all of these losses. Now I'm seeing them as 7-5/8-4.
Those 2 statements do not jibe.  No way those players are worth 3-5 games.
I'm pretty sure they've lost more than just these guys. Didn't they have some others being reported as out earlier in the off season?


Not to mention you could probably win the Big 12 with 10 wins this year...
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Posted: 6/11/2012 4:17 PM

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NorthCalSooner wrote:
redraiduzz wrote: I had them pegged to win the Big 12 before all of these losses. Now I'm seeing them as 7-5/8-4.
Those 2 statements do not jibe.  No way those players are worth 3-5 games.

You realize these are the three of the four best receivers on the team in terms of production last year, and expectations for the season?  Kenny Stills isn't good enough to beat a double team....he just isn't.
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Posted: 6/11/2012 5:27 PM

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241121st wrote:
NorthCalSooner wrote:
redraiduzz wrote: I had them pegged to win the Big 12 before all of these losses. Now I'm seeing them as 7-5/8-4.
Those 2 statements do not jibe.  No way those players are worth 3-5 games.

You realize these are the three of the four best receivers on the team in terms of production last year, and expectations for the season?  Kenny Stills isn't good enough to beat a double team....he just isn't.
Three of the four best receivers on the team?  You are showing your ignorance.  They were competing to be the 3rd best WR on the team.  Anybody with a passing knowledge knows that T. Metoyer and Stills are the 2 best WR's.

OU also has the following players in the mix:

Kameel Jackson - Better than Trey Franks and almost on par with Jaz Reynolds,  Still on the team, on scholarship and working his way out of the dog house for missing class.

Jalen Saunders - Transfer from Fresno State that is applying for a waiver.  Went for 1.065 yards LY at Fresno State.  

Courtney Gardner - 4-star JUCO.

LaColton Bester - JUCO with over 1,000 yards LY.

Durron Neal - 4-star.

Sterling Shepard - 4 star.

While it is fair to say this group is unproven, you will not find a more talented group in the country.
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Posted: 6/12/2012 1:39 AM

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I will take our reciver potential over OU's...and I am not playing biased act. Phil Steel had our unit ranked just above OU's and that was including Reynolds in the mix. Metoyer will be a a beast...will give you that.

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241121st wrote:
NorthCalSooner wrote:
redraiduzz wrote: I had them pegged to win the Big 12 before all of these losses. Now I'm seeing them as 7-5/8-4.
Those 2 statements do not jibe.  No way those players are worth 3-5 games.

You realize these are the three of the four best receivers on the team in terms of production last year, and expectations for the season?  Kenny Stills isn't good enough to beat a double team....he just isn't.
Three of the four best receivers on the team?  You are showing your ignorance.  They were competing to be the 3rd best WR on the team.  Anybody with a passing knowledge knows that T. Metoyer and Stills are the 2 best WR's.

OU also has the following players in the mix:

Kameel Jackson - Better than Trey Franks and almost on par with Jaz Reynolds,  Still on the team, on scholarship and working his way out of the dog house for missing class.

Jalen Saunders - Transfer from Fresno State that is applying for a waiver.  Went for 1.065 yards LY at Fresno State.  

Courtney Gardner - 4-star JUCO.

LaColton Bester - JUCO with over 1,000 yards LY.

Durron Neal - 4-star.

Sterling Shepard - 4 star.

While it is fair to say this group is unproven, you will not find a more talented group in the country.

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Posted: 6/12/2012 7:59 AM

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NorthCalSooner wrote:
241121st wrote:
NorthCalSooner wrote:
redraiduzz wrote: I had them pegged to win the Big 12 before all of these losses. Now I'm seeing them as 7-5/8-4.
Those 2 statements do not jibe.  No way those players are worth 3-5 games.

You realize these are the three of the four best receivers on the team in terms of production last year, and expectations for the season?  Kenny Stills isn't good enough to beat a double team....he just isn't.
Three of the four best receivers on the team?  You are showing your ignorance.  They were competing to be the 3rd best WR on the team.  Anybody with a passing knowledge knows that T. Metoyer and Stills are the 2 best WR's.

OU also has the following players in the mix:

Kameel Jackson - Better than Trey Franks and almost on par with Jaz Reynolds,  Still on the team, on scholarship and working his way out of the dog house for missing class.

Jalen Saunders - Transfer from Fresno State that is applying for a waiver.  Went for 1.065 yards LY at Fresno State.  

Courtney Gardner - 4-star JUCO.

LaColton Bester - JUCO with over 1,000 yards LY.

Durron Neal - 4-star.

Sterling Shepard - 4 star.

While it is fair to say this group is unproven, you will not find a more talented group in the country.
Yeah dude, I'm ignorant.  Kameel Jackson caught a whopping 12 passes last year.  Jaz Reynolds is/was your number 2 receiver.  Franks (also gone) and DeJuan Miller are next on the list in your returning receivers (Hanna being tight-end, maybe I should have counted him).  As for the others, if you think true Freshmen and JUCO (good luck with that waiver) transfers are going to make up the difference in year 1 in the Big 12.............I want some of what you are inhaling/smoking.  You are placing alot of hope in the "potential" of unproven players.  You have alot in common with the BongFrogs this year...........denial.  I can't argue with Metoyer, because I haven't seen him play in the Big 12 (neither have you).  Good Luck.

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Posted: 6/12/2012 8:37 AM

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C2L2DRaider wrote: I will take our reciver potential over OU's...and I am not playing biased act. Phil Steel had our unit ranked just above OU's and that was including Reynolds in the mix. Metoyer will be a a beast...will give you that.
And you have the right to do that. Doesn't mean OU still doesn't have one heck of a WR corp.
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Posted: 6/12/2012 1:49 PM

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241121st wrote:
NorthCalSooner wrote:
241121st wrote:
NorthCalSooner wrote:
redraiduzz wrote: I had them pegged to win the Big 12 before all of these losses. Now I'm seeing them as 7-5/8-4.
Those 2 statements do not jibe.  No way those players are worth 3-5 games.

You realize these are the three of the four best receivers on the team in terms of production last year, and expectations for the season?  Kenny Stills isn't good enough to beat a double team....he just isn't.
Three of the four best receivers on the team?  You are showing your ignorance.  They were competing to be the 3rd best WR on the team.  Anybody with a passing knowledge knows that T. Metoyer and Stills are the 2 best WR's.

OU also has the following players in the mix:

Kameel Jackson - Better than Trey Franks and almost on par with Jaz Reynolds,  Still on the team, on scholarship and working his way out of the dog house for missing class.

Jalen Saunders - Transfer from Fresno State that is applying for a waiver.  Went for 1.065 yards LY at Fresno State.  

Courtney Gardner - 4-star JUCO.

LaColton Bester - JUCO with over 1,000 yards LY.

Durron Neal - 4-star.

Sterling Shepard - 4 star.

While it is fair to say this group is unproven, you will not find a more talented group in the country.
Yeah dude, I'm ignorant.  Kameel Jackson caught a whopping 12 passes last year.  Jaz Reynolds is/was your number 2 receiver.  Franks (also gone) and DeJuan Miller are next on the list in your returning receivers (Hanna being tight-end, maybe I should have counted him).  As for the others, if you think true Freshmen and JUCO (good luck with that waiver) transfers are going to make up the difference in year 1 in the Big 12.............I want some of what you are inhaling/smoking.  You are placing alot of hope in the "potential" of unproven players.  You have alot in common with the BongFrogs this year...........denial.  I can't argue with Metoyer, because I haven't seen him play in the Big 12 (neither have you).  Good Luck.
On the one hand you argue that I cannot know that OU's young and inexperienced WR's will produce definitively but on the other hand you believe they will definitely not for the same reason.

The truth is that neither one of us know how well (or poorly) OU's WR's will perform.  I believe they will perform based on the exceptional talent level of the collective group.  You believe they will not because they were not on the team last year and are unproven at this level.

We will have to wait and see.  I have seen many TF and JUCO's at OU come in and play at a high level immediately.  Malcolm Kelly, Kenny Stills, Adrain Peterson, Tony Jefferson, Lance Mitchell......the list goes on and on.

When you are dealing with players with talent on the level of OU's newest signees at WR, I believe at least a couple of these guys will come in and compete and contribute at a high level.
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Posted: 6/12/2012 4:58 PM

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NorthCalSooner wrote:
241121st wrote:
NorthCalSooner wrote:
241121st wrote:
NorthCalSooner wrote:
redraiduzz wrote: I had them pegged to win the Big 12 before all of these losses. Now I'm seeing them as 7-5/8-4.
Those 2 statements do not jibe.  No way those players are worth 3-5 games.

You realize these are the three of the four best receivers on the team in terms of production last year, and expectations for the season?  Kenny Stills isn't good enough to beat a double team....he just isn't.
Three of the four best receivers on the team?  You are showing your ignorance.  They were competing to be the 3rd best WR on the team.  Anybody with a passing knowledge knows that T. Metoyer and Stills are the 2 best WR's.

OU also has the following players in the mix:

Kameel Jackson - Better than Trey Franks and almost on par with Jaz Reynolds,  Still on the team, on scholarship and working his way out of the dog house for missing class.

Jalen Saunders - Transfer from Fresno State that is applying for a waiver.  Went for 1.065 yards LY at Fresno State.  

Courtney Gardner - 4-star JUCO.

LaColton Bester - JUCO with over 1,000 yards LY.

Durron Neal - 4-star.

Sterling Shepard - 4 star.

While it is fair to say this group is unproven, you will not find a more talented group in the country.
Yeah dude, I'm ignorant.  Kameel Jackson caught a whopping 12 passes last year.  Jaz Reynolds is/was your number 2 receiver.  Franks (also gone) and DeJuan Miller are next on the list in your returning receivers (Hanna being tight-end, maybe I should have counted him).  As for the others, if you think true Freshmen and JUCO (good luck with that waiver) transfers are going to make up the difference in year 1 in the Big 12.............I want some of what you are inhaling/smoking.  You are placing alot of hope in the "potential" of unproven players.  You have alot in common with the BongFrogs this year...........denial.  I can't argue with Metoyer, because I haven't seen him play in the Big 12 (neither have you).  Good Luck.
On the one hand you argue that I cannot know that OU's young and inexperienced WR's will produce definitively but on the other hand you believe they will definitely not for the same reason.

The truth is that neither one of us know how well (or poorly) OU's WR's will perform.  I believe they will perform based on the exceptional talent level of the collective group.  You believe they will not because they were not on the team last year and are unproven at this level.

We will have to wait and see.  I have seen many TF and JUCO's at OU come in and play at a high level immediately.  Malcolm Kelly, Kenny Stills, Adrain Peterson, Tony Jefferson, Lance Mitchell......the list goes on and on.

When you are dealing with players with talent on the level of OU's newest signees at WR, I believe at least a couple of these guys will come in and compete and contribute at a high level.
That's nice.  But I am, in no way ignorant, as you suggest, of your roster, or what you lost with these guys getting into trouble.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:19 PM

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The loss of these players will not hurt OU, even a little bit. It will in fact help.


They were not top talent and but more importantly they were like cancers that were a bad influence on others, so they were removed for cause. This was not the first of the Stoops house cleaning and if certain rumors are true it won’t be the last before the start of the season.

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Posted: 6/14/2012 10:36 AM

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OU48A1 wrote:

The loss of these players will not hurt OU, even a little bit. It will in fact help.


They were not top talent and but more importantly they were like cancers that were a bad influence on others, so they were removed for cause. This was not the first of the Stoops house cleaning and if certain rumors are true it won’t be the last before the start of the season.

Welcome to the world of ou rationalization.

If these losses happened at Tech or any other school this same goober would be on here predicting doom and gloom.

I don't think those players are going to keep ou from being a good team but to say it helps ou is ridiculous.
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Posted: 6/14/2012 11:47 AM

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PasoPoke wrote:
OU48A1 wrote:

The loss of these players will not hurt OU, even a little bit. It will in fact help.


They were not top talent and but more importantly they were like cancers that were a bad influence on others, so they were removed for cause. This was not the first of the Stoops house cleaning and if certain rumors are true it won’t be the last before the start of the season.

Welcome to the world of ou rationalization.

If these losses happened at Tech or any other school this same goober would be on here predicting doom and gloom.

I don't think those players are going to keep ou from being a good team but to say it helps ou is ridiculous.

You are showing your ignorance on the situation.

Not having these and other players around to poison the atmosphere will help far more than losing their mediocre talents. In the last 2 or 3 years OU has lost games that they shouldn’t have and a house cleaning was needed. Your ignorance of the situation (or it may be your orange tented glasses) don’t allow you to understand how this will help OU. But to be fair to you and everyone else, not everything they did to poison the atmosphere for the past 2 or 3 years has been made public.

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Posted: 6/14/2012 12:01 PM

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NorthCalSooner wrote: Three of the four best receivers on the team?  You are showing your ignorance.  They were competing to be the 3rd best WR on the team.  Anybody with a passing knowledge knows that T. Metoyer and Stills are the 2 best WR's.

OU also has the following players in the mix:

Kameel Jackson - Better than Trey Franks and almost on par with Jaz Reynolds,  Still on the team, on scholarship and working his way out of the dog house for missing class.

Jalen Saunders - Transfer from Fresno State that is applying for a waiver.  Went for 1.065 yards LY at Fresno State.  

Courtney Gardner - 4-star JUCO.

LaColton Bester - JUCO with over 1,000 yards LY.

Durron Neal - 4-star.

Sterling Shepard - 4 star.

While it is fair to say this group is unproven, you will not find a more talented group in the country.
There's a good bit of Sooner delusion here.  These losses are certainly going to hurt OU this year.  I don't care how much "talent" you guys think you have, there's little returning experience.  JUCO guys very rarely come in and just dominate from day one.  Metoyer is capable of being an exception to that since he's insanely gifted, but even he has to make the adjustment.  Saunders (if he gets the waiver, which isn't likely) will eventually be good at OU just as he was at Fresno.  The rest are extreme longshots to contribute in the way Reynolds would have.  Best case scenario, one steps up and plays the role Franks would have.  And don't give me this "star" crap or that they're the most talented group in the country.  Please.  Even if "stars" obviated experience (they don't), I'm not sure why you expect us to be impressed by the five 4* guys and one 5* you have on the roster while we have seven 4* guys, and several of our guys already have played meaningful snaps.  And that's not even counting Tyson Williams and Darrin Moore, who are easily 4* talents if they had bothered to rank them.  Or you can look at it this way.  We signed two 4* guys this year and we aren't needing either of them to contribute in 2012, with at least one and possibly both redshirting.   That's when you know you have depth. OU doesn't have it.  You don't have the most talented WR group in the conference, much less the country.

Christ, look at your list.  You're counting on a guy who's never played a game for OU to be your best WR. Stills is the only OU WR on the roster with any meaningful experience, and he's just decent. Then you've got a guy in the doghouse who caught a whole 12 for 165 last year.  Then a transfer who likely won't even be eligible to play in '12.  Then a pair of JUCOs with zero experience.  And finally, a couple of recruits who haven't entered the box score at all yet.  A whole lot of things have to go right for OU to have a strong WR group for '12.  Realistically, you'll need Metoyer to be everything he's supposed to be to where he consistently draws doubles, because Stills isn't good enough to shoulder the load himself.  If Metoyer takes a bit of time to learn the offense or get on the same page with Jones/Bell to where he's just good and not great in '12, then your WR corps for 2012 isn't going to scare anyone.  OU's WR corps already had big shoes to fill for '12 with Broyles gone, but now with Reynolds and Franks out of the mix, y'all should be downright concerned.  Anything else is just lying to yourselves.

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Posted: 6/14/2012 12:31 PM

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notnert427 wrote:
There's a good bit of Sooner delusion here.  These losses are certainly going to hurt OU this year.  I don't care how much "talent" you guys think you have, there's little returning experience.  Anything else is just lying to yourselves.

There is absolutely no delusion when I say that having these players gone will help the team…. at least in the long run.

You might need to understand more about how they poisoned the team atmosphere to understand why.
But to not understand it = ignorance of the situation.

For team unity sake I am very,very glad they are gone.biggrin

 

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Posted: 6/14/2012 12:34 PM

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Having a hard time believing what I'm reading. There's optimism and then there's... this....
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Posted: 6/14/2012 1:30 PM

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OU48A1 wrote:
notnert427 wrote:
There's a good bit of Sooner delusion here.  These losses are certainly going to hurt OU this year.  I don't care how much "talent" you guys think you have, there's little returning experience.  Anything else is just lying to yourselves.

There is absolutely no delusion when I say that having these players gone will help the team…. at least in the long run.

You might need to understand more about how they poisoned the team atmosphere to understand why.
But to not understand it = ignorance of the situation.

For team unity sake I am very,very glad they are gone.biggrin

 

Thanks for proving my point. Denial isn't a river in Egypt.
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